For my next question, i have a form to select colors for various areas of my menu system, this is opened from a tab page, it returns the #'s for the colors and another button runs a query to replace the old values, this all works ok. What i need to do is refresh the menu and any color changes made. I think I have to requery any/all controls on the menu sytem that use these colors, or close then reopen the menu. Unless somebody can think of an easier way.