While the auto form creation Wizard in Access 16 is better than in previous versions I have used, but it still doesn't always get forms looking how a normal human would expect them to look (i.e. like how a SaaS desktp app seeking the same info would lay out the form). There is still far too much manual manipulation required to get them right. And sub-forms are still as bad as in say the 2007 version. Anyone know any good solutions?